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biglunch:
How about we stop calling them mommy when they stop calling us daddy? Idk just a thought.

I’m pretty sure some women actually like the term, just like some men like the other term.

Different strokes for different folks. You’re into Hansel and gretel. If fattening up someone to use them for food (even in fantasy) isn’t objectifying them, idk what is. This is a fetus website, mind you. So I have nothing against that at all. People are into it from both sides.

No misogyny here.

Prude:
birthing person

Baba Yaga:
If you don't like it, oh well. Better speak to the manager about it, Karen.

junebug10:
This has literally nothing to do with the entitlement and unjustified anger of a "Karen."

Regarding biglunch's assertion of "no misogyny here," I couldn't disagree more. The problem seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what misogyny actually means. It's denotation is the hatred, dislike or mistrust of women based on the very fact that they are women. Whether a conscious choice or not, the story in question undeniably has misogynistic undertones if not blatant overtones. The main antogonist is a woman cast as past her prime, in accordance with the societal expectation that women must remain young, beautiful, and conventionally attractive to maintain any semblence of validity. This character is simultaneously vilified for not wanting to have children and ends up being "punished" with pregnancy. Villainizing women who choose not to have kids is textbook misogyny as it frames a woman's lack of desire to procreate as inherently wrong. In relation to societal gender biases, men who don't want children are never villified in the same way. Similarly, nor are men with jobs and children ever questioned about who's home taking care of the kids or how they manage to balance their work and home lives. Ultimately, women are burdened with the expectation that they be relegated to the domestic sphere and when they're not, their competency outside the home is questioned due to their supposed duties of childrearing.

Regardless of this site's primary function as a safe place/online community for and celebration of this fetish, I think Hanselswitch's point (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is that the story peddles in societal stereotypes of women and villifies a character expressly because she exists outside the parameters of acceptable femininity and what quantifies a "proper woman."

stevita:
Gave the story a read because of this thread and I have to say: it's not unsalvageable? The misogyny is rooted in just a few lines and the tone, and it didn't need to be there to make the story work.

Comeuppance stories are common in this kink: a bratty, bitchy, or otherwise evil character becomes the victim of an enlarging transformation against their will. We love to see it. But that's the thing: the character Mrs. Mansfield is already so mean and dislikeable that the reader would have wanted to see her blimp up and suffer for it just because she's a racist landlord who abuses her working class tenants by threatening them with unlawful eviction and violating their privacy. It would still make sense to have her yell at/be mean to kids if that was portrayed as part of her just being a mean person in general, without portraying her personal aversion to motherhood as a villainizing trait. She's already a villain, you had me at "This is America, don't speak your Spanish around me" or however the line went.

As someone who's been slammed as a propagandist myself for some of my own fics (people have told me to keep my socialism out of feedist fic, etc) I get the compulsion to slide social commentary into your porno. But I think this story would be improved by not caricaturizing women for not choosing motherhood. If the author decides to rewrite, I say go for the "punish the racist capitalist who bullies the most vulnerable of us, aka children, just because she can" angle and leave the question of her bodily autonomy out of the laundry list of reasons why she deserves her punishment. That's just my constructive crit.

I dont think you're being very open minded other's creative choices and thus threatening the safe space we have already come to enjoy. If reading hurts you that bad, simply dont.

I dont think you're being very open minded other's creative choices and thus threatening the safe space we have already come to enjoy. If reading hurts you that bad, simply dont.

HanselsWitch:
You saw zero irony in using the term "safe space" while telling women to suck it up, eh? All while contributing absolutely nothing new to the discussion.

Two women spent quite a bit of time writing thoughtful explanations on the difference between "creative choice" and stories written by dudes who clearly believe women are less than human. Either you truly don't get it or you're being deliberately obtuse.

mp3:
[quote]I think you're just being closed minded and reacting purely on emotion and hate. Everyone has their own story and experiences and you are in no position to belittle them just because you have some diluted understanding of how the world is supposed to work.